And I never understood why Hybels did not step down when his wife (Lynne) had a HUGE crisis of faith. that their chief goal is to get their sexual needs met without negotiation. Status? Nancy Ortbergs post is downright damning, IMO. @ jackie: Contemplative Spirituality can be clearly defined this way: Contemplative Spirituality: A belief system that uses ancient mystical practices to induce altered states of consciousness (the silence) and is rooted in mysticism and the occult but often wrapped in Christian terminology. https://jodiwalle.com/openlettertojohnortberg You summed up my whole opinion of this mess. Please dont judge Nancys actions she did what most women would do. A dishonest person disposes everything in the hope that nothing will ever be retrieved that reveals his guilt. Bingo. Hybels considers himself first among equals in the fraternity of evangelical pastors. Senior 501(c)3 Willow Creek management apparently did not throughly examine the extent of the personal witness/testimony/allegations at the time of presentation. I double dog dare every Creeker to demand to see a detailed budget. Barton co-authored with John Ortberg Ordinary Day With Jesus, which clearly instructs readers in mystical prayer practices. This writing clearly shows John Ortbergs sympathies to this New Age spirituality. But one thing I know, we have a choice in our behaviors. i.e. I have Every year for many years OT once and NT twice- every year. And what exactly do you think I can do about it at this point? The worst that often has happened is some vague mumbled half-apology or copping to a general misunderstanding. Good grief, until this minute I had no idea there was such a thing as a hug culture. Statement removes all doubt, in my opinion, regarding serious sexual sin and leadership issues at Willow Creek Community Church as it comes to Bill Hybels. No, the flesh made them do it! Its the same thing my university wrings their hands over. The only thing you can blame other people for is making his deception known. I had the same thought about his promotion of women. To get them on the defensive? As weve seen in recent years, email and other digital documents have become important sources of evidence in various kinds of disputes and court cases. I have heard sermons on the side hug. Megachurch pastors have big institutions to feed as well: huge entities that gobble millions a year, maybe hundreds of millions. They were belittled and mocked if they tried to set boundaries or said they preferred not to be hugged. Sit under Jesus Christs leadership in the future. ), you come across as naive, profoundly ignorant. I dont know that I qualify in your estimation as a person of substance, but Ive been a reader/commenter on this blog for 10 years and have seen Law Profs post for a number of years and know some of his background. @ dee: We still do not know what that really means. This caliber of leaders dont just stay quiet. Of course, if theres some hidden motive of those speaking out, thats one thing, but as has been said, this is all in the process of getting out after many questions have been raised about what was or wasnt done with previous accountability procedures (emails, board meetings, etc.). That is a huge red flag. Long after no one can remember Willow Creek and the building is long gone, Jesus will still be Lord. This rodent by the name of Roy teaches a better-sex class for males and is the best lover shes ever had. The Gospels that I read portray a Jesus that constainly questioned the established and told parables about what is moral that makes you walk away and think. I am going to assume this women does not know how business is conducted these days. Its about truth, loving others, the actual fruits of the Spirit, obedience to the Lord. Ive worked with men for over 40 years in business. What is it about these minister and their hugs. Everyone liked this guy and a group of women didnt want him to go to prison because he was so nice. Youre not alone Lyds. I also took 3 years of Biblical Hebrew and 4.5 years of Koine Greek thats NT greek. PS How can this stand unchallenged? Kind of surprised it was allowed to stand without edit or response. We would have food, beverages, snacks, etc. If you (the church at Ephesus) do not repent, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place. Rev 2:7. You get a time out. You watch a kid in a souped up car on the highway darting in and out at excessive speeds and say I hope he gets picked up.. The premise of con- templative spirituality is pantheistic (God is all) and panentheistic (God is in all). Dr George Simon Jr a clinical psychologist and writes about character disorder, manipulative personalities and malignant narcissism. ) (John 18:10 NIV). That is my point. Last Son Standing? havent forgotten. The issue with that is that its not like the secular world, in which after perps have done their time, they can make a living in their field of avocation (though in the case of fraud perpetrators and/or crimes with victims, future funds may be diverted to said victims). It took celebrity to call out another celebrity because that is how that world works. The celebs were protected by their inner circle who went along with the exterior lie of image and performance, hiding ugly dark secrets. I wonder if he knows? I would be ROFL if it didnt mean that there are some folks who have been deceived. Forgiveness after repentance is one thing (and a rare thing if someone never actually admits to anything beyond a mistakes in judgment were made public spin). Bill Hybels has stepped down. I found Jodie Walle comments very interesting, and did help me to understand the culture. Peter Led about 3000 to Christ on the day of Pentacost. In lego marvel rescue minifigure But of course, youve been trained up in the world of megas, where vapid sayings take the place of the Bible. Enough is enough. Anyone who says otherwise or who tries to slam someone for not telling immediately just doesnt know what theyre talking about. Hybels' name should be mentioned, yes, but in a Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement) sort of way, with seasonal or continuous confession and sorrow and repentance. People were being killed, thrown to lions and tarred and set on fire to be torches for for Neros garden parties. Unfortunately, this particular scandal not only impacts specific Willow Creek pastors or employees it impacts the body of Christ and the thousands of people seeking to know Jesus. Instead of turning the other cheek or choosing kindness in the midst of your disappointment, I see anger and a willingness to hurt other people. Darn it! An accusation could hurt the church, the members and even Christianity. This was a joke which proved how few people at WCC understand sexual harassment. 22 For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom, 23 but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles, 24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. I had the Willow Creek model thrust down on my church over 25 years ago. The comments from some in the WCC Trebuchet Club has brought this home to me. That is not old school. Nancy, like Vonda, believed her experience with Bill was an isolated incident. He was once featured in a Christian magazine. Russ Moore agrees with you. Founding and Senior Pastor Bill Hybels preaches during a service at Willow Creek Community Church on Jan. 13, 2018, in South Barrington . Near the end of this article, Dee posted this question for Willow Creek Church: Is it possible that Bill Hybels encouraged the leadership of women in order to increase his own access to women who admired him within the confines of church business, giving him plausible deniability? Lynne Hybels, Wife of Pastor Bill Hybels, Gloriously Rises Above It All to Find a Christianity She 'Had Never Known' Photo Credit: LynneHybels.com "My husband and I have been married for over four decades. Personally I was more offended by Wailing Wall-Satanic ritual connection. When we overlook this, we open doors for people like pedophiles and other predators to enter the church and carry out their dark deeds. When youre the victim of something creepy, such as abuse, suggestive sexual behavior or private narcissistic rage or whatever ugly thing from a pastor who holds himself up as a paragon of virtue, people often feel embarrassed at having been involved in it, even if they had nothing to do with the wrongful actions. Bob Buckner. This is just how we do; I dont know. Assuming that Ms. Walle isnt lying whatever her tone or motives Ortberg could go first and model real manhood by addressing her claims directly, owning what is true, and asking for forgiveness, as warranted. Seems like a lot of marriages in and around WCC have some awful secrets. No one wants to think their pastor is being inappropriate, so your brain just dismisses it. Its ridiculous. over my many years associated with fundamenatlist through to mainline protestant groups I have experienced things situations, or told things that seemed just downright wrong. Good point. https://cryingoutforjustice.com/2018/03/01/for-professionals-who-work-in-domesic-abuse-dv/. No one, from the janitor to the CEO, can be deemed off limits to the moral and ethical demands of respect, decency and appropriate behavior. I have other views about resigning rock star pastors but wont go into it now. That said, this is all so tragic. Willow Creek does not need Bill Hybels. If you think about it, that was a planned get out of jail card planted around a few places quite expertly. I bet she had help. plus Ive read very wise authors like: Don Hennessy an relationship counselor in Ireland who has worked for decades in the field of domestic abuse. Nothing can really tear down the church, as I think it was Law Prof that said, but people can get pretty mad when their fantasy of church and the people that promote that fantasy are shown to be very imperfect. Bill Hybels is human and who are we to judge? Very valuable comment. Learn to be alone with yourself. Have you read the stories of the great persecutions of the early church. Its not. She had no way of knowing of other incidents and we now see why. Hybels idea on how a church should function was to go out and ask non-believers what a church could do to get them to attend. Time for some more sacred cows to get smashed. No wonder they get a God complex. William Hybels (born December 12, 1951) is an American church figure and author. That statement should never have been sent out and hasnt been corrected to this day! Thanks Clockwork Angel! BTW, one of the drawbacks with the current format is we dont even see recent comments from older threads. Catherine-you are in permanent moderation. The pastor didnt understand that this was not about sex but about control and power. Sometimes theyre letting you know who theyve really been followingand who they havent been. Ask yourself If we are to judge on actions that are listed as sin or are considered crimes, then what does this really mean. Because my -and others- comments are moderated, there can be a lot of instantly-posted discussion between a (approval-needed) comment and when it appears. I say we are. I believe her account. If you arent getting that from family, church and friends might conceivably help meet that need. @ Nancy2 (aka Kevlar): We made sure I would not be placed in a situation like that again. Actually, hugging creates a release of oxytocin (also known as the cuddle hormone) in the human body, which can artificially create a sense of trust and closeness. The new lead pastor discounts the claims of the betrayed and encourages the women of the church to believe differently. I realize that what Jodi Walle is saying John Ortberg did is not on the level of what Bill Hybels did, but it still is extremely unbecoming of a pastor of a church to use the F word or comment on the looks of other women. Together, they have two children, a son by the name of Todd Hybels and a daughter Shauna Niequist. My answer is quite simple. They were powerful, influentual, respected leaders. There are evil people who look like good people. He did so for a reason and it is time to wake up and smell the coffee. The Devil is destroying yet another church. Where is the debater of this age? But, visa-a-vis Nancys testimony, if things really were so bad and uncomfortable in that hotel room, why the following admittance: On a subsequent conference trip to Hawaii, I went running with Bill and he struck up a conversation about the amnesiac side effects of Ambien. Excuse me? Not atypical. Since 1975, when Lynne & Bill Hybels started Willow Creek Community Church, Lynne has been an active volunteer at the church.For the last fifteen years she has engaged in ministry partnerships in under-resourced communities in Latin America and Africa. Huge. Whether anyone associated with any of his accusers is a jerk or not, I fail to see the pointunless, of course, the point is to smear whoever accuses him so that people will think twice before bringing forth any more stories. He just got knocked off his pedestal and some of his supporters are throwing up their hands in despair. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FLT3Cb96-Mk. It all led me to focus on several things with the kids:. I also think if its true, it minimizes his and his wifes ability to legitimately point the finger at others, and the impact of their words, and that is very unfortunate. The news of the divorce came as a shock to many, as the couple had always seemed to have a strong and healthy relationship. ", © 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022 - The Wartburg Watch. On Tuesday, Illinois megachurch pastor Bill Hybels announced that he's resigning amid sexual-misconduct allegations made by church members and employees. I dont know what mainstream is for this topic. But David and all Israel beginning at Davids own house bore the consequences of the sin. Mistletoe killing an oak, Bill asked her to have me call when I got out. @ Erp: (A bit dogmatic, huh? These things are often expected immediately in the Christian world. My working hypothesis is that any man intent on seduction of women through grooming them for emotional intimacy and/or sexual involvement will sow in whatever field hes in and will also create or develop the platform that makes it possible to keep the flow of victims going. Driscoll will do quite well in charismatic ranks. Im not saying any of that is right. Dee is correct with respect to Hotel rooms. Theres been so much of this lately that I think (hope!) Me too. Then more examples came out. In hindsight, it is exactly as others have stated predatory, calculated and manipulative all with a facade of kindness and mentoring. John & Nancy Ortberg are known to be false teachers, mis-leading the body of Christ teaching unbiblical things such as contemplative prayer which amounts to nothing other than New Age mysticism. The beast must be fed. Ok. Ok. Surely someone from the WCC trebuchet club could have found somebody better at weaving a tale. Sometimes I wonder if it is not their worst enemy. Brad, for better or worse, you are an example of the average WCC person to me. It never appeared that they were the type of people that would not speak up. And then maybe they see it happening, confront the guy, he says understood and suddenly you and your husband are out of a job. And I promise: NO ONE was ever saved, in all history, because of eloquence. I have seen it for over 20 years. This video was shot in and aroundKirkenesand Pas National Park bordering Russia, at 70 degree north and 30 degrees east. Where is the scribe? If you note, the hotel rooms in these narratives were suites and meetings were being held in those rooms. I worked as a psychotherapist with both perpetrators and victims of sexual boundary violations for 20 years. Most of the folks who comment on this blog are of that stripe in their comments, they express a great concern for ministers and ministries who appear more concerned about their mission than the Great Commission. I mentioned how I recently read of a church where the IT had a deal with pastor to delete specifically his e-mails I laugh and say fat chance I can get him to do that for me! Plausible deniability for Bill. How to build a corporation in 5 easy steps. How does one explain it? Jodi may get extra points for a time for her clever rant but if this thing goes south she will be the first to go. Why do one in three Christian marriages end in divorce? Big. #metoo. Bill was asked about his special arrangement with I.T., where his emails are permanently deleted on a frequent and regular basis. Know who you are. And us adults have to learn not to be so easily snookered by evil experts masquerading as wonderful people and pass red flags along to children. We NEED a full and unbiased accounting. It alarmed me to learn that Nancy Ortberg was also the subject of Bill Hybels unwanted attention and actions. People said the same sort of things about us, people sneered at us, shunned us, surely said Whats wrong with this picture just like you did. The Devil is destroying yet another church. Love That Lasts book. Willow is no exception. So sad. People so manipulated, though wounded, never quite understand what is causing the pain. Yes, the ambien thing really bugs me. 2. This leads those who might otherwise speak up about inappropriate behavior to not cast the first stone. You described it so well. In April 2018, when Bill Hybels' scandal got out, John Ortberg turned on his former master . Willow Creek has run many many seminars teaching other churches how to impliment the Williow Creek model. Get that through your heads. HE GOT AWAY WITH IT, SO CAN I! The way it worked with all of these people is very similar to the way it worked with us. Its amazing how many believers will interpret the metaphor of fruit differently, for example. This includes a majority Christian circle. You would think that wannabe preacher boys would be warned off of that in seminary. the narcissists seeking to traumatize people into submission outnumber those who act out irresistible urges. I have going to professional society meeting for over 30 years, and hospitality suites are expected/ the norm. @ Davis and Natasha: I guess you are not aware of the president for whom Hybels was a spiritual advisor. She is exposing the bizarro world of mega churches. It frustrates me that victims have to endure more pain when they come forward. The video is on YouTube: Who appointed you besides yourself ? I hope its okay to post. *Bill also admitted that the woman alleging an affair had spent many nights at the Hybels home when Lynne was out of town.* (from the Nancy Ortberg post). If you all think that personal shopping is sex abuse, you need to get real. Its the evil person who masquerades as a good person. I have to think, absolutely have to think, that a courageous leader sure wouldve done things differently in the last month, whether Hybels is totally clean and all of these women leaders in the church and old friends of Bill are part of a vast conspiracy to destroy Bill Hybels, the righteous man, or if Hybels is dirty and all along was an abusive sociopath and terminal liar. The lead elder talks about a duty to protect the church and cites Acts 20:28 which allows her to indirectly call the betrayed wolves and enemies of the church. Oh yeah. I guess Billy Graham never led anyone to Jesus then. Its not great for innovation. People of Willow Creek, save your church by demanding resignations from he full Elder Board and lead pastors. Rudyard Kipling, The Picts Song (about guerilla warfare), Ok. Ok. I believe Nancy Ortberg and I also believe the other victims who have come forward. Nothing would happen there. Alway such an emphasis on putting Willow Creek 1st, how about putting Jesus 1st? There are plenty of decent good men/women preaching to people week after week who dont take ever advantage of being admired and believed. And few of us agree on every point! Since there's been no follow-up on their proposed Sunday morning mention of Hybels, it's safe to assume that multiple sources have told them that they made a grievous error to even suggest such a disgusting gesture. Sitting there talking is not the problem. I recognized something was wrong with that, but for various reasons, didnt quite make the connection. Good Lord! The logical conclusion of B. Brucker position is that ends justifies the means. She was running with him outside. Its never about us, but always focused on Jesus the Perfecter of our faith. At what point did Nancy inform her husband? is lynne hybels still married to bill. Heinous, but nice. Not a word. There was also some sort of one world conspiracy deal. He sees things.. This will sound horrible to some but I never understood the overall hug culture. I know the sun will rise in the morning, that there is a light at the end of every tunnel.Michael Morpurgo. How can leadership send an OPINION to the entire congregation? Drawing as much of the world into church as they can, while still appearing to be Christian. I cant help but see your point here. Lynne Hybels is the wife of Bill Hybels-renowned founder and senior pastor of Willow Creek Community Church in Illinois. The difference is the internet makes it much harder to try to shame each of us in person individually.. Blogs such as WW are an encouragement to me. I wonder when the above reproach inspectors will engage and be welcome with open arms; they may want to hurry, as its reached the secular media, and theyre not too focused on 1 Peter 4:8. It is clear to me that God did not want this hidden any longer.. I really liked your comment. But at church with people you see week after week? Like they say, to each his own. But long ago, I realized that these situations are not made up of clear white/black hats. Further, just Google and do a You Tube search on Willow Creek Church and Bill Hybels. Position? I allowed links and discussion on Jodis open letter despite the fact that I found it insulting to true victims. I agree/support the various responses to Brad Brucker. Thats what she thinks is comparable? How does one explain it? Jesus wins. That is more unusual these days. Its rarely what people are told to believe it is. I do believe that he may have gone through a time of repentance and contrition, as much as he may understand that he needs to, and has come to the other side of it and that is the reason that he may not seem as repentant as they expect. He got out of Dodge and left people behind to pick up the pieces. Sigh. But thats over the course of 42 years of ministry! And Charisma House/new Mark Driscoll book . predatory, calculated and manipulative all with a facade of kindness and mentoring. A year later they started Willow Creek Community Church. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. There is your real problem, right there. I have been reading sex abuse stories for 9 years. why is she running alone with a man she supposedly feels uncomfortable around? The Eurythmics. They said they could look him in the eye and discern if he was telling the truth. Sounds like at least some of the accusers would like to see justice for sure, but also redemption for even Hybels. They were powerful, influentual, respected leaders. Either way, and knowing or assuming all this to be accurate, why would any man have his hands on women in ways that are open to suspicion if they are trying to stay out of trouble, either real or unjustly so accused? He is the founder and CEO of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church), one of the most powerful and influential organizations globally. Fools a lot of people and so utterly against anything Christ said. If it is seeing a good friend after a long time, a family member, etc, understandable. When you read it, I think you might as well. Im unclear about what faith journey means, but it sounds very Willow Creek. I mean, it makes for good gossip too. Thanks Dee. Hybels fell for him when he was on staff with Rob Bell at Mars Hill EMERGENT Church, in Grand Rapids. But telling someone immediately might be crucial in the future. This was mishandled. The comments we disallow often have to do with abuse of victims along with some other things. We can all learn from this and make sure to teach your kids. @ dee: By Thriftbooks.com User, June 15, 2004 This is the greatest study bible that I have seen. Hugging spouse and kids a lot is good. @ Law Prof: I think we have lived the same life. Bill Hybels verbally and emotionally intimidated both female and male employees. Its all lies doesnt cut it and sounds ridiculous. Even the innocent in Israel lived with the ensuing upheaval. I went back to my hotel room and cried, not understanding what had just happened. 1 Peter 4:8 Jan 13, 2018. In 2018, sexual misconduct allegations had been alleged against Bill Hybels. That is because most men and women are not predators. @ Julie: @ Davis and Natasha: She was still hoping that he had changed. Not surprising that you are getting off-colored comments from some WC members. Association of Related Churches The naked woman swimming around the boat incident he related in a way to make himself appear understanding and concerned for her welfare. Really? Hybels, the influential founder and pastor willow creek, resigned in april 2018 after 42 years leading the church. For you cross land and sea to make a single convert, only to turn him into twice the Child of Hell as yourselves! Theres something to these accounts. If she ever blew the whistle on his evil-doing, he had prepared in advance the excuse he would give to the elders in his church: I had taken Ambien! Im not trying to do anything but reel in my disappointment in what has been going on at Willow Creek. To me (and probably to a lot of jurors), timely Disappearing of Evidence = ADMISSION OF GUILT. toward a fellow parishioner or perhaps esteemed clergyman?). This is largely Christianese. I read it Daily and Journal too. Ah, the broad-brush accusation of slamming the Church when actions of their leadership are called into question. If you think they dont see our sin, you are fooling yourself. The Bible makes specific reference to this in I Cor. God is not in the business of secretly brainwashing and subtly mind controlling people. Big money, fame, power and influence? @ Davis and Natasha: And Pastor/Apostles Passive-Aggressive Attack Dogs (Tsk. It has been posted several times. Wild!!! Read the books and follow the formula. The invitation to the first Family Meeting stated in the first paragraph that this group wanted to damage the church and the senior pastor! Ever thought of switching to WordPress? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serpent_seed. Still he says, Willow Creek should be able to survive, even if the allegations against Bill Hybels are true. Will the newly installed Willow Creek pastoral leadership/management just put a proverbial 501(c)3 band-aid on an open sore and continue business as usual; now that there has been identified a large hole in this churchs ethical, moral and scriptural superstructure? Four-One-Nine just a Game Look at the Stowell family leaving Harvest Bible Chapel as an example of a family who quietly left with dark secrets about a megachurch. My mom was abused sexually. Thats a laugh. Time for repentance not damage control. He could claim that she was making up her story. Its so clear how this happened on the womens part. No one wants to think their pastor is being inappropriate, so your brain just dismisses it. I know. How hard is it for men to keep their hands off women in the work environment? A very misunderstood view of redemption; repentance and forgiveness is taught out there especially in seeker Megas. . Its not the victim. We have a problem with people who now want to pile on the growing number of women who are coming forward with similar stories. Was it addressed and ignored by the elders? Dave Dummitt I knew all this stuff from my secular org development career but did not transfer it to the church setting right way. There are cuddle friends. And it shall come to pass that, like as I have watched over them to pluck up and to break down and to overthrow and to destroy and to afflict, so will I watch over them to build and to plant, saith Jehovah. (Jeremiah 31:28), @ Davis and Natasha: Ive known Sociopaths who could look you right in the eye and Lie with total open-eyed, butter-wouldnt-melt-in-their-mouth Sincerity. You are guilty of judging, something you say we are not to do. @ Julie: He is married to Lynne Hybels since 1974. 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