I only started reading about the murders a few years after the murders. I think he planned to but they ran and he killed them in anger. Especially, when they had to be driven to the secluded location. I thought they had brought in a suspect a few months after the killings who seemed like the likely perp? Another key piece of the puzzle that investigators have released is that they believe the man who murdered Libby and Abby was either from Delphi or was familiar with Delphi either because he works there or has other connections. That Robert Lindsay guy requested me on Facebook just after the murders because I commented in a group about the girls. It was probably the county sheriff's nephew. "I don't want this person to do this again, and if he has, I hope that I'm able to help that family and be a part of their lives eventually," Kelsi said. Are there regrets about not securing the Morning Heights Cemetery as a possible part of the crime scene (i.e. This speaks to an evidentiary aspect of the investigation and I would respectfully prefer not to answer. No matter the truth of why she did, he felt she didn't think he was good enough for her. Who is looking at who, and why do they think the person being looked at is the killer? No details about that vehicle were released, including make and model, color or license plate number. (Unfortunately the interviewer did not ask him to say "guys down the hill"), FWIW He did have the most interesting thing to say, whether or not it is true is another thing. They still get tips on the hotline. R251 I think it sounds like they have a suspect whose wife is providing his alibi. Would you like Wikipedia to always look as professional and up-to-date? What happened to the girls doesn't have to have been "freaky" to upset people, just finding them partly clothed or nude and dead, possibly posed, would be bad enough. To say I have follow this case is an understatement. Im hooked on reading about this case. Immediately before the abduction, one girl posted a photo of her friend walking on the bridge to Snapchat. Nor have they released the cause of death, but certain horrific details have been leaked. R199 Interesting take. They were scared young girls doing what they were being ordered to. Leigh Kerr appears to be intelligent and if he/she is for real, my guess is he/she is an attorney in the DAs office. I don't know why for 5 years the cops couldn't reveal the time this all occurred. WebJust to remind you guys, that the 'cause of death' is not the same as the 'mode of death'. Kegan could definitely be covering up other crimes (he's been arrested for child porn and other related charges so that wouldn't be crazy) but the dates of the backdated FB posts, the wiping of his phone etc. Hello and thank you for registering. It's the ears. They're probably going to kill you anyway. While interesting, I found it almost unwatchable due to the poor sound editing. Born to Barbara Yvonne (ne Enever) and Louis Holzman, who wed in 1930, she was of Hungarian ancestry on her father's side. They released one of the only pictures from the Delphi murders in July of 2017, a full five months after the fact. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. The cops could have taken the images and recording from the cloud. The Sun website is regulated by the Independent Press Standards Organisation (IPSO), Our journalists strive for accuracy but on occasion we make mistakes. That little girl came as close to death as is possible without dying. I remember doing all kinds of dangerous stupid shit as a teenager. R68- Yes. "When we decided that, through the information we received, that we were going to release the second sketch I dont believe the individual knew we were going to do that. Last night, I read through a long thread on Reddit and it was frightening, sad, and had information that I hadn't read before. It sways back and forth and its not something you can just jump on and walk straight across if youve never done it before. But Leigh Kerr may also be a frustrated insider/outsider LE. If the government won't give the attorney the information they need to properly advise you then you refuse to be questioned. Thanks R5 I did search and didnt find anything. DELPHI | Libby German's sister hopes Twitter can help find her killer, "(We) thought we were going to get the clues that we needed and be done with this in four or five days," ISP Detective Jerry Holeman told RTV6 in 2019. "We also believe this person is from Delphi currently or has previously lived here, visits Delphi on a regular basis or works here," Carter said. Not sure where the phone was found or if the guy knew a recording had been made. I know I could be proven wrong but thats my issue with the catfish theory. I have no idea if it is but the photo side by side with Bridge Guy is compelling. Almost bowed legs. Delphi Lawrence died on April 11, 2002 at the age of 70 years. The FB mods made screen grabs because they thought the guy was shady and they are sending those to investigators. But despite all of the evidence released to the public, investigators have always been open about the fact that they are holding some of it close to their vests with the goal of having information that only the killer would know when they finally arrest him. When they now began to answer his inquiries, he learned another reason why they had been so close-lipped. R474 They recently (1 mo ago?) I think the best bet is to keep watching the video and listening to the audio. It was news. You're welcome R42 and correction: BOTH parts are airing starting at 9pm, EST on Sat., Feb 15 (not the 14th & 15th). Knowing a little bit about that case, because I briefly consulted with one of the investigators shortly after the Golden State Killer case, I know that they have a tough investigation ahead, and they are doing everything they can to try to get that case solved.. There's a school of thought that local LE have a good idea of the perp's ID, but the person has a strong (though faux) alibi. That can happen and then it's usually a big sum. No updates have been issued since. Some people are suspecting his creepy dad and the pressure on him is to turn his dad in. "The Sun", "Sun", "Sun Online" are registered trademarks or trade names of News Group Newspapers Limited. They also released an audio recording of a man believed to be the suspect instructing the girls to go down the hill.. Was video collected throughout Delphi from Feb. 13, 2017 including video from the building across from the abandoned CPS building (The Andersons)? I cannot see someone closely involved in the investigation or to law enforcement revealing info that could in any way jeopardize the case. Have they consulted with the local oracle? If they know who it is, that name would get out. Time outside, smoking, drinking have an effect. "Bobby, what are you doing!" Did she fight back, did the killer see something about her that didn't like? It is haunting. R314-- Yes, that was disgusting but not one bit surprising. The main suspect/killer is probably well-connected, like a local politician's son. As the sun went down and the temperature dropped, the search continued through midnight when it was officially suspended, although some family and friends did continue to search into the overnight hours. Articulate in the use of terms of art through practice. Chadwell's more in shape. Evidently they talk about a creepy guy following them and what should they do about it on the video. That tattoo made my blood freeze. i feel like they need some help from some higher sources. Why do you think the police have declined to publicly disclose how the girls died? People are already calling it out as bullshit. Its only thread that does that, that Ive ever experienced on this site - ever. According to Kline, he exchanged messages with more than a dozen underage girls and received pictures from them. R107 That is revolting. I do believe he got them to cooperate and keep quite by holding a weapon on one girl and telling them one sound and she was dead. I always roll my eyes at the 'owed money to drug dealers' theory. She saw the video and confirms a bit. READ | A look at the property where two missing teen girls were found dead. Just seeing how close he was at this point in video and how the girls knew he was trouble, the thoughts going through their head at that time really fucking awful. For five years, no suspects had been named in the murder case of Libby German and Abby Williams, two best friends who were murdered while hiking in their hometown of Delphi, Q. Here you can see and hear the video of the suspect. No? I am starting to wonder if they really dont have much of anything beyond what we have seen. Just let us hear it. R462 That was the fat pedo's reset of his phone. I thought they got the guy - he is in jail currently but was free when those poor kids were done in. Police believe that the person in question is between 56 and 510 tall and weighs between 180 to 200 pounds. In the thread, a poster has made several Photoshop images that show how the photo of Liberty used on the Missing posters matches up with a creepy tattoo on the guy's arm. Im new to the case and Im sure anything I can think of someone has already asked.. Also, they havent really answered questions in the past, why now? They're keeping a lot from press. So far, no additional information has been released and Indiana State Police have still not identified the vehicle or a possible person who may have been driving it. I've never understood why the girls didn't call 911. This is one that haunts me. Although investigators have never given the exact context to the images or audio taken from the video, they have said they were taken during suspected criminal activity.. Or, more likely, it was the cause of death that got them involved. I hope they arrest him, such senseless loss of life. It wasn't too long ago and I wonder if that corresponds with the timing of this revelation, This will not be the guy- he is too fat- the guy in the video is far thinner than his baggy clothes make him look (And clearly has weaponry in his shirt), I agree R145, but apparently there are pics of him from 2017 where he's thinner (haven't seen them yet). That said, the writing style to me reads as a man in either law enforcement or law. Im not sure how that fits with religious iconography. Or would a VPN work to hide it? On the favorite mystery thread, a poster mentioned the Delphi Murders and I looked them up. a hair, a skin sample from nails, just SOMETHING. This sub is for discussion of the case that's come to be known as the Delphi Murders. Hello. Crossing that bridge was a thrill and evidently was Abbys first time. Yes, this one horrifies me. One potential key piece of evidence in the case was released by police within days of the killings, showing two grainy photos of a hat-wearing suspect walking on the abandoned railroad bridge the girls had visited. Of course I say it could, but all of this is only a guess. Q. Hello. An example would be Ted Bundy. The walkway they crossed was pretty damaged and he must have had prior experience of walking it, as he crossed it pretty quickly. He had tons of outdoors activity on his social media. Eyewitnesses had seen a man in the area. Video. 1. This weirdo factory reset his phone the day of the murders. [quote] Recent court documents filed refer to providing defense counsel for Keegan Kline an interview between his client and . I'll try to find an interview with Abby's mom that's pretty good. You have to wonder if amateur cyber sleuths are more of a hindrance than a help. McCauley, in her stories, noted the presence of the victims parents in the courtroom. I think theres one piece. One of them, Jimmy Dale Duvall, is dead now. Little by little, he broached the subject with relatives who had previously remained silent about the death. A. I don't get armchair detectives who think they're Sherlock Holmes. (There is a debate about whether it was Abby or Libby who was pregnant. No way. The reason I ask is that the murderer may have been interrupted before he could sexually assault them? His voice sounds similar. MYSTERY continues to surround the so-called Delphi Snapchat murders, nearly five years on from the killings of two teenage girls in Indiana who were found dead near a train track back in 2017. It's hard to believe the DNA found under Libbys nails has yielded nothing. Bluestine, of the Innocence Project, said that cases in which the strongest, or only, piece of evidence is a defendants confession are many times the ones that are later shown to be wrongful prosecutions. The bridge has slats of decayed wood. I think it's quite plausible that the guy was walking carefully because of a rotting bridge. I remember when this happened, and thinking that they would have someone in no time. R345, it's stated upthread that his creepy tattoo pre-dates the Delphi murders. LE were deeply traumatized by the crime scene. Leigh is both a male and female name, so no, hes not posing as a woman. No teenage girls want to "go for a walk" without having a different motive. I think bridge guy could be of that build - and I've never bought that he was old. That is an extremely rare height, isn't it? And its having one individual with the strength to say that was my brother, thats my dad, or thats my cousin, thats my neighbor, my co-worker. R14 During one of the press conferences a couple of years ago, the police stated that they had someone in mind and they were probably watching the press conference at that moment, they went onto say that the culprit would slip up and they had almost certainly told someone something about the murders and that person would come forward eventually. The public has been given two sketches, is the thought there is more than one person involved or is the second sketch the suspected killer? The case of Abby and Libbys horrific double-murder remains cold, with tips continuing to roll in, but at least a year since the last Delphi murders update. Police released the images they say were taken straight from Libbys cell phone, on Feb. 15, 2017 the day after the girls bodies were found. Police may soon be allowed to collect DNA samples from anyone accused not only convicted of a felony in the state. My conclusion is still that these people were way too obese, way too short-legged, way too short, way too fat-faced, or way too skinny in 2017 to be BG - whether OBG sketch or YBG sketch. I thought that there was no sexual assault? Tell you what. It makes a person nauseous to read it. The physical similarities are pretty striking between BG and PB, that's true. Both families maintain that Abby and Libby weren't catfished. Why? But Durnell found holes in the story, he said, and other officers come back having found ropes and blankets similar to those in which Delphi was found wrapped in at his home. Detectives said the account with the user name "anthony_shots" was used on Snapchat and Instagram, among other social media platforms, in 2016 and 2017. R211, I think people do it for plausible deniability reasons, in case the person they're talking about happens across any accusations. It would take a full thread to note some things that have been released by law enforcement. He lured the 9 year old girl into his house by asking if she wanted to play with his dogs. State police served a search warrant at a nearby property, but no arrests were made. We all are speculating because we know nothing except what has been released to the public, which is strangely very little. However, in February, Leazenby told a local ABC affiliate that he feels like hes working on somewhat of a self-imposed deadline. He told police he would find girls on Instagram and then ask them to talk to him on Snapchat. Police documents seen by The Sun, which are heavily redacted, do not make any mention of the Delphi case but do link him to the anthony_shots social media account. Their hard drives would have records of communication and shouldn't that give LE some lead as to the ISP? It is frustrating to me that the real JTR was never revealed because it would be so interesting to know about his childhood and what makes a person so very sick. I agree with the poster who said hes done this before. And the dog. I think justice would be to lock him in a room with some of the townspeople and let them at him. I have read they were sexually assaulted and that they werent. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------. John Terhune/Journal & Courier A composite sketch one of just a couple pictures of the Delphi Murders suspect. It hasnt had a train on it since 1929," Carter said during a press conference on April 22, 2019. He lived just 30minutes from where they were killed. I was recently educated on this point by someone who knows more about True Crime than I do. I believe that he threatened them with a gun not with arrest. Maybe they didn't have a plan or "date" to MEET a catfisher, but maybe they had online chit-chat with a catfisher along the lines of, fun stuff they were going to do. It's unclear now whether Kline is being investigated as a suspect in the case. Posters have pointed out that Bridge Guy appears to be trying to hide behind a tall, skinny tree that is camera right to the photo of Abby crossing the bridge. height, weight, hair color, eye color), Specific Vehicle Descriptions (i.e. He was caught while abducting and trying to kill a young girl (same MO). There were no trail cams, at the time of the murders. Some say that the girls were killed inside a barn on RL's property and then later moved and during "dark hours" after LE had stopped searching. Some believe that neither girl was pregnant). Also the video and audio are horrifying. Investigators have yet to find a match but a change in Indiana law may help in that regard. R81 might hold the clue. I discovered this whilst setting my PVR. but doesnt live there. R23 Thats awful. Discover Delphi Lawrence's Biography, Game; Delphi Lawrence. I worked with a barrister once who had had to view CP images. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that they were the same car and someone changed the plates during the day. There have been texts on Reddit for years now. If its PB what an arrogant fuck, showing up to search and to the press conference. In the 1970s-1980s, there was a serial killer in Connecticut, never caught. Mr Sautereau confirmed the death but refused to comment further. I still keep thinking that it probably was Chadwell. My guess, BG acted alone and used a knife. R350, he's walking like that because of the bridge. A person named Kegan Anthony Kline has been arrested in connection with the Monday night plea from Indiana State Police. I really want this guy to pay. Because why else would anybody pretend to be CERTAIN it's not him? don't in any way contradict the date of the murders. I want that monster to pay for this. The sound editing was much better. I found the Facebook page for KS. Its been months, this guy clearly isnt the killer. So were trying to keep the details close to our vests.. A coroner decided there were no suspicious circumstances surrounding the Multiple pieces of evidence, including anything technologically based, have been gained. Delphi Lawrence was born on March 23, 1932 in London, United Kingdom. Maybe there is a ring of guys involved. It's currently unclear whether police believe the two girls met with the creator of the account. This is an app that is going to help so many people and change the perspective of crime, and hopefully solve cases and get arrests for many unsolved cases.. I'm from Australia and expressed my sympathy and hope that the murderer/s would be caught swiftly. Also as his thinner legs demonstrate, he's not as big as you might think. Or at the very least, they know because of how different you are since the murders," he said. Never help someone take you somewhere ("I'll do anything you want just please don't hurt me") or let them tie you up- even if they have a gun or knife pointed at you. Back up your claims please. It wasnt until he had the girls down the hill that he revealed his motives. Not knowing the cause of death makes it worse because any terrible thing you can imagine could be true Did anyone watch the HSN special tonight? So you're saying you're one of those people who thinks he dug up photos of Libby one or two years BEFORE the murders and tattooed her on his arm before killing her and Abby? So not freakishly short. The disgraced Judge is now representing one of the Delphi meth heads whose gang could have killed the Delphi girls. There is a reward of more than $200,000 for information that can lead to an arrest in the case. it would have been a thrilling adventure. The scarves seem like a true report as Ive seen it over and over. I always thought this was lucky-psycho related. sometimes it takes time, especially with a backwater PD. This presumed lack of DNA is one reason why people believe the girls weren't sexually assaulted. I don't think the cops have a clue who this guy is. How do you think he killed them? I don't buy that one. I do hope she's ok as well. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. But it's his "type," the type he kills. That wasnt the first time hes been on that high bridge, my opinion, again thats my opinion. Or, more likely, it was the cause of death that got them involved. I really hope that this is the killer so he will be caught and punished. In January 2021, the creators of a smartphone app called CrimeDoor provided a unique and eerie look at the fateful day Abby and Libby encountered their killer in Delphi, Indiana. I saw someone mention they thought both girls were strangledthinking about that, means 1 girl had to watch this happen to the other..which i dont see happening. She also played Mrs Johnson, the leading role in Willy Russell's Blood Brothers, for four years at London's Phoenix Theatre. I said OK, and told them everything had happened the way (one of the detectives) had theorized. The Why have you never released the FBIs suspect profile to the public? If you look at the link, they have some of his social media photos and you'll see what I mean. R28 thats horrific. Whoever the SOB he follows the threads closely, and more than likely gets a sick thrill from posting as well . I mean if they weren't involved in murder and drug smuggling it shows that they pick and choose their cases. 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