If Jen Hatmakers beliefs prevent one teen from committing suicide because they are gay then maybe all this public scrutiny is worth it. April 14: JH publishes blog describing her personal emotional results of interview, maligning the Christian Machine for criticizing her. Can core beliefs and clear tenets of faith survive for very long in the same room as life and health and love? Thats clear. What is being said here is that for someone to say that God says that homosexuality is not a sin is in absolute and total error! If you think the person is sinning, that is something to engage privately. And as a point of note, the closest he ever came to talking about homosexuality, he explained that in heaven, there is no such thing as marriage and that all marriage contracts are nullified since we shall be as the angels which either means angels get it on with whoever they like or they have no sexual characteristicswhich means that if there is sexual desire in heaven, it would be homosexual as wed all be the same sex. http://bible.com/114/mrk.10.6-9.nkjv. Thats why you lost another Millenial. Its the brutality of unhealthy religion. Yes, thank you. Sadly, this is what happens when religious communities become obsessed with building walls to exclude others. So many people never find Christ because they cant follow the rigid teachings of so many well intentioned Christians. With only a framework of religion, either The Right or The Left will show that broken Identity. Hi Mike, whilst there is much you write I disagree with, your comment here is excellent. THE definition of Christian marriage is in the Bible, beginning in Genesis. It was also the official position of ANC. They have also founded the Austin New Church in Austin, Texas along with Legacy Collective, a community foundation aiming to find sustainable housing, prevent child trafficking and provide health care, among other options. However, most of my Presbyterian friends dont believe or practice this. How bad does it have to get? So, what does healthy religion look like? The old you have to be tolerant of my intolerance argument. Not a single Christian thinks that a repentant sinner should be excluded from the Grace of God that is a strawman argument created by less-than-honest people with an agenda. Great food for thought. CARE FOR ALL PEOPLE. I think most Christians would agree with that. Seriously. At the very least she deserves to be treated with dignity and respect. For I have come to set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a mans enemies will be those of his own household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. How bad does it have to get? In my experience, the right time would be just about when you have to be prepared to be ostracised for speaking up against nastiness in the ranks. There wasnt any theological issues, no heresy. So I guess the real question for people with opposit sex attraction is what do you love more. Loving your neighbor as yourself requires you to have love in your heart in the first place. The Bible says that leaders are held to a stricter standard. Sunday, May 28, 2022 Ascension Day. Such a natural fit. But this type of story appears just once in the Bible. IN-PERSON | 2701 S Lamar Blvd, Austin, TX 78704 ONLINE | Facebook or YouTube I'M NEW HERE. Next up: ad hominen attacks on anyone that considers LGBT lifestyles anathema to a faith-driven life. And Ive heard Rob Bell speak movingly about the cruel and unusual punishment meted out by his evangelical brothers.. Same-sex couples can be married by American or any other countys law, and thats fine. We cant offer the grace of Christ with a lie attached. Why dont we quit pretending that we speak for Godor even that the Bible is clear on everything it teaches? But we cant go to the other extreme and do nothing about wayward leaders. One form is that we are righteous and can get to heaven through out good deeds. Either you believe it is sin, and you teach people that Gods grace can cover this and help people take it to the cross. GET TO KNOW US. I think its important, when considering Matt 18s instruction, to keep in mind how Jesus treated gentiles and tax collectors. Its a beautiful picture, private and evocative. But since when have Christian leaders proven to have a thoughtful handle on what is essential and what is secondary in theology, and what is truly peripheral? I very much liked the quotations this article ends with. 100% with you, Mike Frost. Dont misunderstand me. And if they give you an unsatisfactory answer, do you disfellowship them or consider them apostate? Austin New Church 141 viewsStreamed 3 days ago 1:15:21 ANC 01-22-2023 Sunday Live Service Austin New Church 192 views Streamed 10 days ago 1:06:19 ANC 01-15-2023 Sunday Live Service Austin New. Was the FMCUSA informed of the Hatmakers doctrinal change before it was publically announced on the internet? It was a good article. Ahh yes. No opposing historical views included. We are all guilty of sin but in Christ we are forgiven of them all, yes but we cant minimize sin or negate it to suite the winds of cultural change, as some feel Jen has done. When you read Romans 1 and 2 together intelligently as one argument, you see that his whole point is that the people who are judging others are the ones in sin. $99.99 + $51.77 shipping. I lay no claim whatever to being more healthy or loving than anyone else quite the opposite. In the Nicene Creed, Christians declare our belief in the four key attributes of the church when we say, [We believe] in one, holy, catholic. Then someone should have told that little catchphrase to Jesus when he chased people with a whip and turned over tables. This is my view. Coitus is the passage of both parties through blood, the very biology of sex attesting to the covenant of what a marriage is. Any more specific position is an interpretation.. Please state facts, not falsehoods about what the Bible does or does not say. conceived & written by Patrick Hillcinematography & editing by Dave and Sarah Kemper of Cloud Craft Studiosproduced by ANC Creativesfeaturing Patrick Hill, S A journey through ANC's first in-house art gallery, "Anticipating What Already Is." Cant we allow all of us to wrestle with our positions on all sorts of matters without feeling a need to correct? And then there are the oft-cited examples of Pauls implicit endorsement of slavery and the reduced role/view of women. I believe the scriptures provide much more grace for a needy sinner including homosexuals. Both sides!). Throughout the week, our campus is alive with energy and hope. But this, I humbly submit as just my opinion. I couldnt take it any longer and chose to resign. He also doesnt condemn those who have had sex outside of marriage as though they should be forbidden from heaven, though he does request that they go and sin no more, he leaves the execution of that command up to the person he says it to. Jesus did say Burn thine enemies to the ground when they disagree with you. These arguments always boil down to the same thing moving the fence, trying to let some sins be okay and castigating any Christian who holds to orthodoxy. Octocer 25: JH interviewed by Jonathan Merritt which affirms her belief that gay marriage can be holy. Thats a relief! Jesus reprimanded the woman at the well. A church plant in 2008, our church has been nomads in a myriad of locations in the South Austin area. We have to look at all the Bible to draw our conclusions. Of course not! He also said marriage was between a man and a woman only. Was the author referencing Jen as a wounded wolf? It certainly wasnt with venom, as has been seen in Hatmakers case. The Cohen New Works Festival is a biennial celebration of new, bold, risk-taking, future-thinking, cutting-edge, no-holds-barred, adjective-filled, original performance! 00:38. Oh, THAT sin. The C-List celebrity world you pursued comes with its pluses and minuses. Hatmaker was the lead pastor of the church before resigning on Friday afternoon after admitting that he had an affair with another man while married to his wife (who is also openly gay). What has happened to jen is not great! It does seem there is a growing, insatiable desire in Christian circles to hurriedly name the next heretic, rather than lovingly correct or engage in healthy dialogue. This is one of my problems with celebrityism in Christianity. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. His standard is PERFECTION. He just wasnt talking about that. Are you who create these arguments so entrenched in your open orthodoxy unable to see the futility of a man-made salvation where there isnt such a thing as sin, and therefore no need for a Savior from sin? I understand the point and process of biblical feedback. 5/15/22 ANC 5-15-2022 Sunday Live Service ANC 5-15-2022 Sunday Live Service 5/8/22 . And it wasnt me but Jesus who said to lust in the heart is adultery, to hate in the heart is murder. This surely is something many evangelicals would agree with. Im also a millenial who thinks the evangelical church has become a joke. But the issue at hand is Christian teachers saying they heard from God through prayer that God looks at homosexual marriage the same as heterosexual-it just is blasphemy to say you heard such a thing. This is the bottom line: Jen Hatmaker and her husband said that they had a revelation from God after much prayer that basically the story of Adam and Eve and the pattern of marriage also pertains to homosexual marriage! I Corinthians 5:11-13 NKJV The author thought he had the dream job: pastoring a megachurch. Slow down and show love to someone that may be hurting. RELIGION ACTIONS of the individual, Instead of: Unity in Him My misgiving with this article is whitewashing false teachers, since the subject is not about how to reach and love on homosexuals, but on how to deal with false teachers. Were elders allowed to fulfill their roles as decision makers for ANC as outlined in Acts 15:1-2, or were those who disagreed with the change in position asked or encouraged to leave? March 26: Remaining elders, including BH, re-affirm the affirming position first announced to ANC via the internet interview. It was the era of the Walkman, acid wash jeans, Miami Vice, Chernobyl, and the beginning. Our dream is to have an increasingly positive impact on the South Austin Community. Thank you, and god bless each and Evey one of you. Is this the only story out of the Bible that you know? As in, what you say is great. . ), I did this once with Jared WIlson when he blog-quoted Doug Wilson on dominance and submission in the marriage bed. Once the congregation saw what happened, the church shut down three weeks after my resignation. Now we all sin, its truee, and we should be inclusive. Hello! In my view, heresy is anything that keeps someone from falling into the arms of Jesus and His grace. Religion is bull$hit. If I am wrong on this issue, I am practicing a form of self-justification and teaching self-justification. AFS Cinema. They believe that in order to be saved, you have to be baptizedits a requirement. 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